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INDEFINABLE TERMS
In mathematics, logic, philosophy and formal systems, a primitive [indefinable] notion is a concept that is not defined in terms of previously defined concepts.
Wikipedia

Indefinable means Unanalyzable. We cannot describe the term with other terms. The term cannot be “taken apart” or broken down into simpler parts.
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In the following pages I will call the non-explicable manifestations of ‘somethings’ Indefinables, and state that only our mental registrations of the above, that is Abstracts, lend themselves to definitions. p3

[…] there are no words available in our terminology which could adequately convey their meaning ‒ Indefinability, to use my designation. p94

The essence of these seemingly contradictory data of reality lies in their unconquerable indefinability. Consequently, anything we might say about them would not be semantically meaningful but, at best, a lucky label going no further than ‒ if you like ‒ a superficial indication of something of which ‘we do not know what it is, and only know what it does’. And this is exactly why I call these ‘somethings’ Indefinables.

Josephine Pasternak; Indefinability; 1999; p123
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§4- […] the names of simple ideas are not capable of any definitions; the names of all complex ideas are.
§5- I will not here trouble myself, to prove that all terms are not definable from that progress, in infinitum, which it will visibly lead us into, if we should allow, that all names could be defined. For if the terms of one definition, were still to be defined by another, where at last should we stop? But I shall from the nature of our ideas, and the signification of our words show, why some names can, and others cannot be defined, and which they are.
§6- I think, it is agreed, that a definition is nothing else, but the showing the meaning of one word by several other not synonymous terms. […]
§7- This being premised, I say, that the names of simple ideas, and those only, are incapable of being defined. The reason whereof is this, that the several terms of a definition, signifying several ideas, they can altogether by no means represent an idea, which has no composition at all: and therefore a definition which is properly nothing but the showing the meaning of one word by several others not signifying each the same thing, can in the names of simple ideas have no place.
John Locke; An Essay Concerning Human Understanding; 1689/1997; bk3; ch4
ALL INSTANCES OF “LOVE IS” IN SCRIPTURE (ESV)

The word LOVE is not defined in scripture.

Psalms 26:3

For your steadfast love is before my eyes, and I walk in your faithfulness.
>> The IS of finding oneself

Psalms 57:10
For your steadfast love is great to the heavens, your faithfulness to the clouds.
>> The IS of predication

Psalms 63:3
Because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you.
>> The IS of predication

Psalms 69:16
Answer me, O LORD, for your steadfast love is good; according to your abundant mercy, turn to me.
>> The IS of predication

Psalms 108:4
For your steadfast love is great above the heavens; your faithfulness reaches to the clouds.
>> The IS of predication

Psalms 109:21
But you, O GOD my Lord, deal on my behalf for your name’s sake; because your steadfast love is good, deliver me!
>> The IS of predication

Proverbs 15:17
Better is a dinner of herbs where love is than a fattened ox and hatred with it.
>> The IS of finding oneself

Song of Solomon 1:2
Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine;
>> The IS of predication

Song of Solomon 8:6
Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy is fierce as the grave. Its flashes are flashes of fire, the very flame of the LORD.
>> The IS of predication

Hosea 6:4
What shall I do with you, O Ephraim? What shall I do with you, O Judah? Your love is like a morning cloud, like the dew that goes early away.
>> The IS of a simile

John 11:3
So the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, he whom you love is ill.”
>> Not a claim about Love

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
>> The IS of consequence

1 Corinthians 13:4
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
>> The IS of predication

1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
>> The IS of finding oneself

1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
>> The IS of consequence

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In addition to its symbolic uses ‘Beauty’ has also its emotive uses. These have often been responsible for the view that Beauty is indefinable, since as an emotive term it allows of no satisfactory verbal substitute.
Ogden & Richards; The Meaning of Meaning; 1956; p247
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Primitive terms can be both of existing and imaginary entities.

Numbers are the primitives of the imaginary world of math.

Point and Line are the primitives of the imaginary world of geometry.

Being a primitive, indefinable term, does not mean that a term is meaningless.
 

Primitive terms are understood intuitively.
INDEFINABLES EXPERIENCED NOT EXPERIENCED
EXISTS > LOVE
> LIFE
> COLORS: RED, BLUE, etc.
> THINKING
> LIGHT
> MATTER
> ENERGY
> MOTION
> SPACE
> GOOD
> TIME
DOES NOT
EXIST
X
[7/23]
> NUMBERS- ZERO, ONE
> POINT
> LINE
> REST
> IDENTITY
(Colin McGinn; Logical Properties)
Set theory: The concept of the set is an example of a primitive notion. As Mary Tiles writes: The ‘definition’ of ‘set’ is less a definition than an attempt at explication of something which is being given the status of a primitive, undefined, term. As evidence, she quotes Felix Hausdorff: “A set is formed by the grouping together of single objects into a whole. A set is a plurality, thought of as a unit.” [Set Theory; 1957; p11]
Mary Tiles; The Philosophy of Set Theory; 2017; p99
§9 - Nor have the modern philosophers, who have endeavored to throw off the jargon of the Schools, and speak intelligibly, much better succeeded in defining simple ideas, whether by explaining their causes, or any otherwise. The atomists, who define motion to be a passage from one place to another, what do they more than put one synonymous word for another? For what is passage other than motion? And if they were asked what passage was, how would they better define it than by motion? For is it not at least as proper and significant, to say, ‘passage is a motion from one place to another’, as to say, ‘motion is a passage’, etc. This is to translate, and not to define, when we change two words of the same signification one for another; which when one is better understood than the other, may serve to discover what idea the unknown stands for; but is very far from a definition, unless we will say, every English word in the dictionary, is the definition of the Latin word it answers, and that motion is a definition of motus. Nor will successive application of the parts of the superficies of one body, to those of another, which the Cartesians give us, prove a much better definition of motion, when well examined.
John Locke; An Essay Concerning Human Understanding; 1689/1997; bk3; ch4
The thing, then, to be fully realized at this stage is,― that in every simple idea or ultimate notion we have something that must be started from, something that must be taken for granted, something to be referred to individual experience, and that― except in the case of correlatives, where together with a thing we can produce its opposite― nothing can be done in the way of making the meaning clearer or more intelligible. When we have said of Light that it is the opposite of Darkness, with a partially opposed correlative in Shade,― we have said all on the subject that words can say. We need never hope to make plain the nature of Life to a man that does not understand it when put in opposition to Death. Cold and Heat are mutually implicated, and their names may be brought together with effect, using luke-warmness as the intermediate form; but beyond that we cannot go. Pain and Pleasure are self-explaining, or else not to be explained at all. So with seeing, hearing, touching, tasting, smelling, fatigue, repose, sensations of the viscera or systemic sense― in a word, all those primary sensations that form the basis and the raw material of individual experience. Who will venture to define Toothache to one who has never felt it? or what hope can we have of being understood when we try to explain Vision to a man born blind? These experiences, one and all, are ultimate, and as ultimate, they must be accepted; and the words that stand for them must be allowed to stand, without mark or comment.
William Leslie Davidson; The Logic of Definition; 1885; p74-75

Naive Set Theory: The Empty Set is a primitive notion. To assert that it exists would be an implicit axiom. Wikipedia

Euclidean Geometry: Under Hilbert’s axiom system, the primitive notions are point, line, plane, congruence, betweenness and incidence.
Wikipedia

Euclidean Geometry: Under Peano’s axiom system, the primitive notions are point, segment and motion.
Wikipedia

Peano Arithmetic: The successor function and the number Zero are primitive notions.
Wikipedia

BETWEEN
THINKING
RELATION
TRINITY
OMNIPOTENCE
OMNISCIENCE
OMNI-ANY

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Even in the domain of logic, we need what Peano has called “primitive ideas” and “primitive propositions.” In fact, since all definitions of terms are effected by means of other terms, every system of definitions which is not circular, must start from a certain apparatus of undefined terms. It is to some extent optional what ideas we take as undefined.

Deduction, then, can only begin by a stating and assuming the truth of the necessary primitive propositions, “explaining” them if necessary.

Ernst Schröder called the collection of the primitive ideas and primitive propositions of logic the “faith of the logician.”

[…] all reasoning without exception assumes some at least of the primitive premises.

These sciences have now grown up to the stage of frank admission that they rest on a basis of indefinables and indemonstrables.
Philip E. B. Jourdain; Indefinables and Indemonstrables in Mathematics and Theology; The Monist; 1919; p547, 548, 549,

[…] it is logically necessary that some things should be indefinable […]
A. C. Ewing; Review: The Nature of Thought by Brand Blanshard; Mind; 1944; p79

Just as we can’t define or explain “Red” to a blind person, we can’t define Motion or Time to a sighted person.
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§10. ‘The act of perspicuous, as far forth as perspicuous’, is another Peripatetic definition of a simple idea; which though not more absurd than the former of motion, yet betrays its uselessness and insignificancy more plainly, because experience will easily convince anyone, that it cannot make the meaning of the word light (which it pretends to define) at all understood by a blind man: but the definition of motion appears not at first sight so useless, because it escapes this way of trial. For this simple idea, entering by the touch as well as sight; ‘tis impossible to show an example of anyone, who has no other way to get the idea of motion, but barely by the definition of that name. Those who tell us, that light is a great number of little globules, striking briskly on the bottom of the eye, speak more intelligibly than the Schools: but yet these words never so well understood, would make the idea, the word light stands for, no more known to a man that understands it not before, than if one should tell him, that light was nothing but a company of little tennis-balls, which fairies all day long struck with rackets against some men’s foreheads, whilst they passed by others. For granting this explication of the thing to be true; yet the idea of the cause of light, if we had it never so exact, would no more give us the idea of light itself, as it is such a particular perception in us, than the idea of tile figure and motion of a sharp piece of steel, would give us the idea of that pain, which it is able to cause in us. For the cause of any sensation, and the sensation itself, in all the simple ideas of one sense, are two ideas; and two ideas so different, and distant one from another, that no two can be more so. And therefore should Descartes’s globules strike never so long on the retina of a man, who was blind by a gutta serena*, he would thereby never have any idea of light, or anything approaching to it, though he understood what little globules were, and what striking on another body was, never so well. And therefore the Cartesians very well distinguish between that light which is the cause of that sensation in us, and the idea which is produced in us by it, and is that which is properly light.

§ 11. Simple ideas, as has been shown, are only to be got by those impressions, objects themselves make on our minds, by the proper inlets appointed to each sort. If they are not received this way, all the words in the world, made use of to explain, or define any of their names, will never be able to produce in us the idea it stands for. For words being sounds, can produce in us no other simple ideas, than of those very sounds; nor excite any in us, but by that voluntary connexion, which is known to be between them, and those simple ideas, which common use has made them signs of. He that thinks otherwise, let him try if any words can give him the taste of a pineapple, and make him have the true idea of the relish of that celebrated delicious fruit. So far as he is told it has a resemblance with any tastes, whereof he has the ideas already in his memory, imprinted there by sensible objects not strangers to his palate, so far may he approach that resemblance in his mind. But this is not giving us that idea by a definition, but exciting in us other simple ideas, by their known names; which will be still very different from the true taste of that fruit itself. In light and colours, and all other simple ideas, it is the same thing: for the signification of sounds, is not natural, but only imposed and arbitrary. And no definition of light or redness, is more fitted, or able to produce either of those ideas in us, than the sound light, or red, by itself. For to hope to produce an idea of light, or colour, by a sound, however formed, is to expect that sounds should be visible, or colours audible; and to make the ears do the office of all the other senses. Which is all one as to say, that we might taste, smell, and see by the ears: a sort of philosophy worthy only of Sanco Panca*, who had the faculty to see Dulcinea by hearsay. And therefore he that has not before received into his mind, by the proper inlet, the simple idea which any word stands for, can never come to know the signification of that word, by any other words, or sounds, whatsoever put together, according to any rules of definition. The only way is, by applying to his senses the proper object; and so producing that idea in him, for which he has learned the name already. A studious blind man, who had mightily beat his head about visible objects, and made use of the explication of his books and friends, to understand those names of light, and colours, which often came in his way; bragged one day, that he now understood what scarlet signified. Upon which his friend demanding, what scarlet was? the blind man answered, it was like the sound of a trumpet. Just such an understanding of the name of any other simple idea will he have, who hopes to get it only from a definition, or other words made use of to explain it.

§12. The case is quite otherwise in complex ideas; which consisting of several simple ones, it is in the power of words, standing for the several ideas, that make that composition, to imprint complex ideas in the mind, which were never there before, and so make their names be understood. In such collections of ideas, passing under one name, definitions, or the teaching the signification of one word, by several others, has place, and may make us understand the names of things, which never came within the reach of our senses; and frame ideas suitable to those in other men’s minds, when they use those names: provided that none of the terms of the definition stand for any such simple ideas, which he to whom the explication is made, has never yet had in his thought. Thus the word statue may be explained to a blind man by other words, when picture cannot, his senses having given him the idea of figure, but not of colours, which therefore words cannot excite in him. This gained the prize to the painter, against the statuary; each of which contending for the excellency of his art, and the statuary bragging, that his was to be preferred, because it reached further, and even those who had lost their eyes, could yet perceive the excellency of it. The painter agreed to refer himself to the judgement of a blind man; who being brought where there was a statue made by the one, and a picture drawn by the other; he was first led to the statue, in which he traced with his hands, all the lineaments of the face and body; and with great admiration, applauded the skill of the workman. But being led to the picture, and having his hands laid upon it, was told, that now he touched the head, and then the forehead, eyes, nose, etc. as his hand moved over the parts of the picture on the cloth, without finding any the least distinction: whereupon he cried out, that certainly that must needs be a very admirable and divine piece of workmanship, which could represent to them all those parts, where he could neither feel nor perceive anything.

§13. He that should use the word rainbow, to one who knew all those colours, but yet had never seen that phenomenon, would, by enumerating the figure, largeness, position, and order of the colours, so well define that word, that it might be perfectly understood. But yet that definition, how exact and perfect soever, would never make a blind man understand it; because several of the simple ideas that make that complex one, being such as he never received by sensation and experience, no words are able to excite them in his mind.

§14. Simple ideas, as has been showed, can only be got by experience, from those objects, which are proper to produce in us those perceptions. When by this means we have our minds stored with them, and know the names for them, then we are in a condition to define, and by definition to understand the names of complex ideas, that are made up of them. But when any term stands for a simple idea, that a man has never yet had in his mind, it is impossible, by any words, to make known its meaning to him. When any term stands for an idea a man is acquainted with, but is ignorant, that that term is the sign of it, there another name, of the same idea which he has been accustomed to, may make him understand its meaning. But in no case whatsoever, is any name, of any simple idea, capable of a definition.

§15. Fourthly, but though the names of simple ideas, have not the help of definition to determine their signification; yet that hinders not but that they are generally less doubtful and uncertain, than those of mixed modes and substances. Because they standing only for one simple perception, men, for the most part, easily and perfectly agree in their signification: and there is little room for mistake and wrangling about their meaning. He that knows once, that whiteness is the name of that colour he has observed in snow, or milk, will not be apt to misapply that word, as long as he retains that idea; which when he has quite lost, he is not apt to mistake the meaning of it, but perceives he understands it not. There is neither a multiplicity of simple ideas to be put together, which makes the doubtfulness in the names of mixed modes: nor a supposed, but an unknown real essence, with properties depending thereon, the precise number whereof are also unknown, which makes the difficulty in the names of substances. But on the contrary, in simple ideas the whole signification of the name is known at once, and consists not of parts, whereof more or less being put in, the idea may be varied, and so the signification of its name, be obscure, or uncertain.

§16. Fifthly, this further may be observed, concerning simple ideas, and their names, that they have but few ascents in linea prædicamentali* (as they call it,) from the lowest species, to the summum genus*. The reason whereof is, that the lowest species being but one single idea, nothing can be left out of it, that so the difference being taken away, it may agree with some other thing in one idea common to them both; which having one name, is the genus of the other two: v.g. there is nothing can be left out of the idea of white and red, to make them agree in one common appearance, and so have one general name; as rationality being left out of the complex idea of man, makes it agree with brute, in the more general idea and name of animal. And therefore when to avoid unpleasant enumerations, men would comprehend both white and red, and several other such simple ideas, under one general name; they have been fain to do it by a word, which denotes only the way they get into the mind. For when white, red, and yellow, are all comprehended under the genus or name colour, it signifies no more, but such ideas, as are produced in the mind only by the sight, and have entrance only through the eyes. And when they would frame yet a more general term, to comprehend both colours and sounds, and the like simple ideas, they do it by a word, that signifies all such as come into the mind only by one sense: and so the general term quality, in its ordinary acception, comprehends colours, sounds, tastes, smells, and tangible qualities, with distinction from extension, number, motion, pleasure, and pain, which make impressions on the mind, and introduce their ideas by more senses than one.

§17. Sixthly, the names of simple ideas, substances, and mixed modes, have also this difference; that those of mixed modes stand for ideas perfectly arbitrary: those of substances, are not perfectly so; but refer to a pattern, though with some latitude: and those of simple ideas are perfectly taken from the existence of things, and are not arbitrary at all. Which what difference it makes in the significations of their names, we shall see in the following chapters.
 

The names of simple modes, differ little from those of simple ideas.

* gutta serena = a condition of partial or complete blindness with a transparent, clear pupil
Sanco Panca = Fictional character in the novel Don Quixote, Sancho Panza.
linea prædicamentali = a predicamental line
summum genus =
The highest, most all-inclusive genus

John Locke; An Essay Concerning Human Understanding; bk3; ch4

Since all terms that are defined by means of other terms, it is clear that human knowledge must always be content to accept some terms as intelligible without definition, in order to have a starting point for its definitions.
Bertrand Russell

What has been said about undemonstrated propositions is equally true for undefined terms. […]
That there must be undefined terms is clear from any attempt to define a term.
Cohen and Nagel; An Introduction to Logic and Scientific Method; 1939; p142

When we set out to construct a given discipline, we distinguish, first of all, a certain group of expressions of this discipline that seem to us to be immediately understandable; the expressions of this group we call PRIMITIVE TERMS or UNDEFINED TERMS, and we employ them without explaining their meanings. At the same time we adopt the principle: not to employ any of the other expressions of the discipline under consideration, unless its meaning  has first been determined with the help of primitive terms and of such expressions of the discipline whose meanings have been explained previously. The sentence which determines the meaning of a term in this way is called a DEFINITION, and the expressions themselves whose meanings have thereby been determined are accordingly known as DEFINED TERMS.

We proceed similarly with respect to the asserted statements of the discipline under consideration. Some of these statements which to us have the appearance of evidence are chosen as the so-called PRIMITIVE STATEMENTS or AXIOMS (also often referred to as POSTULATES, but we shall not use that term in this technical meaning here); we accept them as true without in any way establishing their validity. On the other hand, we agree to accept any other statement as true only if we have succeeded in establishing its validity, and to use, while doing so, nothing but axioms, definitions and such statements of the discipline the validity of which has been established previously. As is well known, statements established in this way are called PROVED STATEMENTS or THEOREMS, and the process of establishing them is called a PROOF.
Alfred Tarski; Introduction to Logic; 1995; p118

Definition, as is evident, is only possible in respect of complex ideas. It consists, broadly speaking, in the analysis of complex ideas into their simple constituents. Since one idea can only be defined by another, we should incur a vicious circle if we did not admit some indefinable ideas. This obvious truth is fully recognized by Leibnitz, and the search for the simple ideas, which form the presuppositions of all definition, constitutes the chief part of his studies for the Universal Characteristic. Thus Leibnitz says (Monadology, §§ 33,35): “When a truth is necessary, its reason can be found by analysis, resolving it into more simple ideas and truths, until we come to those which are primary. […] In short, there are simple ideas, of which no definition can be given […]”
Bertrand Russell; A Critical Exposition of the Philosophy of Leibniz; 1900; Ch 2; Sec 11

Euclid’s initial assumptions for geometry consisted of a number of definitions, followed by a set of postulates and axioms. We shall follow the modern procedure and arrange that the number of undefined elements and relations shall be as small as possible. In terms of these undefined elements and relations we shall state certain unprovable propositions, which we shall call axioms. These axioms will be chosen so that no one is a consequence of the others: they will be independent; they must also be consistent.
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To a non-mathematician it often comes as a surprise that it is impossible to define explicitly all the terms which we used. This is not a superficial difficulty but lies at the root of all knowledge; it is necessary to begin somewhere, and to make progress one must clearly state those elements and relations which are undefined and those properties which are taken for granted.
Gilbert de B. Robinson; The Foundations of Geometry; 1940; p7,8
If every word in the English language were definable, there would be a circularity within the group of definitions. One would, for instance, end up attempting to define ‘bent’ as ‘not straight’ and ‘straight’ as ‘not bent’ or something similar. To avoid such circularity we must concede that some words are indefinable.
Irwin Goldstein; Must there be Indefinable Words?; Metaphilosophy; v17; n1; 1986; p91

If I am asked “What is good?” my answer is that good is good, and that is the end of the matter. Or if I am asked “How is good to be defined?” my answer is that it cannot be defined, and that is all I have to say about it. … My point is that “good” is a simple notion, just as “yellow” is a simple notion; that, just as you cannot, by any manner of means, explain to anyone who does not already know it, what yellow is, so you cannot explain what good is. Definitions … which describe the real nature of the object or notion denoted by a word … are only possible when the object or notion in question is something complex. … But yellow and good, we say, are not complex: they are notions of that simple kind, out of which definitions are composed and with which the power of further defining ceases.
G. E. Moore; Principia Ethica; cited in Richard Cartwright; Philosophical Essays; 1987; p71

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